A
Conversation with Michael Sokolove
1. Many veteran scouts and agents
thought the 1979 Crenshaw High school varsity baseball team was the
best high school baseball team of all time. What was it about this
team that gained them such renown?
The remarkable thing about the
Crenshaw High Cougars of 1979 is that many of Darryl Strawberry's
teammates believed he was not the team's best player, and they may
well have been right. When you consider that Strawberry had true
Hall of Fame talent, that gives you some idea of the abilities of
the rest of these players. Now, in all fairness, Darryl had more
potential than any of the rest of these young players -– he was
six-feet-four (on his way to six-foot-six), sinewy, strong and in
possession of this pure, slugger's uppercut -– but at that
particular moment, there were two or three or four more accomplished
ballplayers on that team. So the scouts descended in droves to
Crenshaw's inner-city L.A. diamond.
2. There's a widely believed
myth in our society that sports is a means of salvation, and that
myth is particularly strong in the African-American community. The
Boys of Crenshaw believed in it deeply. You write, "Baseball was
their defined path and their vision of the future, not a choice but
a destiny." To what extent is the myth of sports as salvation true
and not true?
Well, it's true in the sense that
if sports truly built character -– if it instilled discipline and
motivation and all the things we need in life -– then it would be a
means to salvation. And sometimes it really works that way. A kid
without a lot else positive in his life finds a youth or high school
coach, and he can be a savior –- those people really are out there,
and some kids grab on to them like a lifeline. But where we go wrong
is this sense that sports can raise a kid -– it can give him a
mother, a father, a sense of self, armor against the drug dealers
and the temptations of the streets -– and usually it can't do those
things because it is, after all, only baseball. It is, at base, a
diversion. So when we expect it to serve all these other purposes,
that's expecting a lot, and most times it can't deliver all we hope.
3. Why does the dream of pro
sports success remain so powerful in the black community, despite
the long odds against it?
One person I respect in sports,
more than anyone I know, is John Chaney, the old, cranky,
cantankerous coach of the Temple University basketball team in
Philadelphia. And one of his favorite phrases is: "Kids see what's
right in front of their faces." Darryl Strawberry and the Boys of
Crenshaw went to high school in a fascinating community, in a
sociological sense. On a hillside right above the high school was
this neighborhood known as the "black Beverly Hills," filled with
entertainers, doctors, lawyers and business types. And if those
parents would have sent their kids down the hill to go to high
school at Crenshaw, the men I wrote about, these marvelous high
school athletes, would have had some vision of success outside of
sports. But the parents from up on the hill sent their children
elsewhere. So Strawberry, and the others, knew several pro athletes
who had gone to high school at Crenshaw -– and some of them had
older brothers and cousins who played minor league ball or big-time
college sports -– but they knew not one black doctor or lawyer or
the children of any of them. So like John Chaney says: they saw what
was right in front of their faces. And what that looked like was
that if you wanted to be successful, sports was the only way.
4. This book was inspired by an
article you wrote about Darryl Strawberry for The New York Times
Magazine. Then you wanted to find out more about where he came
from, and what happened to his teammates. How talented a player do
you think Darryl Strawberry really was? How far below his potential
did he fall?
Sadly, Darryl was every bit as good
as the scouts and the writers said he was. They made no misjudgment.
He was a pure thoroughbred, in physical ability the equal of
probably anyone you can name -– Mays, Aaron, Bonds, Mantle. But he
lacked the courage that great athletes have -– the courage to close
everything else out, to push himself, and to find out what his true
potential was. I think he was scared to find out whether he was as
good as people said. Darryl came out of L.A. as damaged goods –- he
was a broken product, beautiful on the outside, but with interior
wiring that just didn't work right. A lot of that had to do with his
family, and with the neighborhood where he grew up. He saw too few
examples of real striving. Truly great athletes, the Michael Jordans
and Cal Ripkens, are never satisfied -– Darryl was easily satisfied.
He was too pleased with a level of on-field success that was far
below what he could have achieved.
And he didn't value his own gifts,
his money, his career. Like I said, sports can't raise a kid. Nobody
thought to help Darryl because he appeared to have so much, to be so
gloriously gifted -– but in fact, he was doomed from the moment he
left Crenshaw because he just wasn't ready to go out into the world
of bigtime sports and to deliver what everyone expected of him.
5. Chris Brown also became a
major league All-Star, but he only lasted six years with the Giants.
What happened to him?
Chris is a fascinating guy -–
gloriously talented, in some ways a better all-around athlete than
Darryl. (They played together in the 1986 All-Star Game in Houston,
a pretty remarkable accomplishment for high school teammates to take
up two places on a National League team.) But Chris couldn't get
along in pro baseball. In some ways, he had the opposite problem as
Darryl -– he was a prude, no drinking, no drugs, the whole 1980s
baseball scene seemed to shut him down. The word in baseball was
that Chris wouldn't play hurt, that he was somehow not tough or
manly. He was called Chis "Downtime" Brown. He left baseball
prematurely, and made his living operating a huge crane in Houston.
Now, he's driving an 18-wheeler, in Baghdad, working as a civilian
employee of Halibourton. So that tells me Chris is a pretty tough
guy, a brave guy, but that his values and the values of pro sports
did not mesh. There are some very sad stories in the book about
Chris -– the one that sticks with me how the scout who originally
signed him, George Genovese, came upon him playing in this Sunday
league in L.A. -– it's like pickup baseball -– and Chris could still
flatout play. And Genovese said to him, "Chris, what are you doing
here?" And as he walked away, he said, "If you were 10 years
younger, I'd sign you again."
6. Carl Jones is perhaps the
saddest story of all the Boys of Crenshaw. He never got drafted by
the pros, although he was every bit as good a player as many of the
guys who did. Then he fell into a life of drug addiction and
nonviolent crime, and he's now serving a life sentence under
California's "three strikes" law. What does Jones's story tell us?
It tells us that life can be really
harsh, and that with all the progress we've made in this country, it
is still damn hard to grow up poor and black in America. Carl got
dealt a couple of tough breaks, the big one being that he was not
drafted into pro ball. He was a smart, gritty as hell, tough
catcher, but nearly all his teammates went off to play pro ball
while he got left home. And he didn't handle that well at all. He
fell into drugs, and crime -– non-violent crime -–
to support his habit. The three crimes that earned him the life term
were: breaking and entering, no one home; breaking and entering, no
one home; and, for some bizarre reason, breaking into Crenshaw High,
his old high school, and stealing, at most, a pair of shoes. I
visited Carl at Folsom State Prison. I have become close to him. He
calls me about once a week. He talks to my kids. I wish there was
something I could do for him. He has not lived an exemplary life,
but he doesn't deserve to be locked away. I know for sure that if he
grew up in the neighborhood I live in now, basically, comfortable
suburbia, and he lost his way in his mid-20s, he would have found
help, not jail.
7. What happened to some of the
other Boys of Crenshaw?
They've gone in lots of different
directions, and some of them were not easy to find. I enjoyed that
part of it, actually -– tracking them all down. One guy who
everybody had lost touch with, Reggie Dymally, I found one mention
of on Google. It turned out he had become a Kosher chef, and he
ended up cooking at the Kabala Center in L.A. -– sort of New Age
Judaism, and he was cooking for Madonna, among others.
There was a set of twins on the
team, the McNealy boys, and I found them in this godforsaken corner
of Las Vegas, at 40 years old, living with their parents and sharing
a bedroom. They had both played pro ball, but it didn't go well and
they have struggled since. I found another guy, Nelson Whiting,
stationed at a Navy base in a desolate area of Nevada, a real
moonscape -– he basically went into the military to escape the
streets of L.A. Nelson was a very talented musician, and the amazing
thing is that he is still writing music, selling it, and having it
played on the radio, even as he goes about this very humdrum
military career.
8. How much of a factor was
racial inequity in what happened to some of the Crenshaw team, and
how much was their own doing?
It was a mix of both, as you might
imagine. Many of them did not seize opportunities, and they made
poor choices. But they grew up largely without examples of people
who assertively made life choices -– in the world they knew, things
just happened to people. So when they went out into the world, they
were vulnerable to these larger forces. The guys I wrote about were
big, powerful athletes, but in many other ways, they were passive.
They did not feel powerful, in control, or confident. And I
attribute that to poverty and a certain amount of racism.
9. When we look at pro sports,
particularly basketball and football, we see teams dominated by
black athletes. But you say that baseball is still predominantly a
white culture, and that in fact the number of American black
baseball players is getting steadily smaller. Why is that? Do you
see this trend as tragic in some way? Were the Boys of Crenshaw the
last of a dying breed of outstanding black baseball players?
Yes, in some ways they were the
last of a breed -– the last wave of truly great, inner-city black
athletes who wanted, more than anything, to play baseball. And
there's certainly an element of tragedy in that. Jackie Robinson is,
by any measure, a seminal figure in American history. He fought with
great dignity, and paid an emotional price for the right of
America's black population to play Major League Baseball. So for
black kids to turn their back on baseball is tragic. I also am among
those baseball diehards who believe that it truly is the American
game and that it represents and signifies some things about this
country that the other sports do not. Jackie Robinson certainly felt
that way -– he believed that black Americans could not be full
citizens until they had full access to what was then called
America's Pasttime.
10. The history of
African-Americans in Los Angeles is a very particular and
fascinating one. When did African-Americans first start coming to
L.A. in large numbers? What did they find and build there?
I became very interested in the
black migration to Southern California in the course of researching
this book. It's a story not as well known as the great migration to
New York, Chicago and the other older cities -– and the experience
was in many ways different. The big migration to L.A. occurred
before, during and just after World War II; there was a huge demand
for labor in war-related industries, especially in aircraft
manufacturing, and many African Americans filled those jobs. Blacks
tended to have the same idealized vision of California that whites
did -– that it was a paradise, fruit trees everywhere, constant
sunshine. And the tricky thing is that it really did present itself
that way. Even now, if you take a walk through South Central L.A.
you might be surprised to see that even the poorest residents have
little lawns with flowers, and they have a car and a driveway. It
looks nothing like the South Bronx, say, or North Philly. But the
overt discrimination was extreme -– Southern California, until the
early 1960s, operated under a sort of West Coast version of Jim Crow
laws. Blacks could only live in certain neighborhoods. They were not
welcome on most beaches. They couldn't swim in public swimming pools
until the last day of the season, before the water was drained. That
was the life known to the parents of the men I wrote about. By 1979,
overt discrimination had been replaced by a kind of isolation -– the
Boys of Crenshaw lived in one of the richest, most cosmopolitan
cities in the world, but stayed in their little enclave, never went
to museums, did not go to the beach, and only experienced the glitzy
side of L.A. as most other Americans did -– via TV.
11. The team's talented coach,
Brooks Hurst, was a white man with a remarkable ability to work with
young black players. What were his successes and what were his
failures?
Brooks was, first of all, a
wonderful coach. He was passionate about the game and demanded that
his kids play it the right way. They were lucky to have him. But
Brooks Hurst was also a fairly young man at the time, one who had
experienced his own problems and disappointments, and had some
bitterness of his own. He was a little turbulent himself. I found
Brooks to be a fascinating, complex character, and like nearly all
of his players, quite willing to look inward and make honest
assessments. Brooks knows now that in some ways he would have been a
better coach for these kids, on a psychological level, maybe 10 or
15 years down the line, when he had come to terms with some things
himself.
12. How did you research this
book?
I researched the book by traveling
repeatedly to Los Angeles and establishing relationships, and
ultimately friendships, with the men I wrote about. I can't tell you
how generous they were with their time and insights, how grateful I
am to them, and how honored I feel to have been able to tell their
stories. I remember one warm day sitting under a cloudless sky in
the bleachers at Crenshaw High and talking to Reggie Dymally for
probably three hours. Then Chris Brown drove up, and we talked for
probably another hour. And then Reggie and I drove off to a joint on
Crenshaw Boulevard and sat outside and ate these big overstuffed
sandwiches, and talked some more, as this parade of humanity passed
by on foot and all these low-rider cars, music booming from their
speakers, rolled along the avenue. So the research never felt like
work. It consisted of dwelling in the world of my characters, and I
really loved it.
13. Finally, what does the story
of the Boys of Crenshaw tell us about both inner-city America and
the American Dream?
It tells us that the dream is as
powerful, or even more so, than ever. People see great displays of
wealth and comfort -– on MTV's "Cribs"; rolling down the street in
the form of some drug dealer's car -– and they want that life. In
the inner city, there is less trust that the dream is attained
through education, patience and work; this is why you see
extraordinarily long lines at the lottery counter in the cities,
with people buying dozens of tickets at a time. The dream of making
it in sports is a lottery, too, offering long odds but the
possibility of a big payoff. Darryl Strawberry won that lottery but
squandered his winnings. The rest of my characters had to come to
terms with life a little sooner. Most, but not all of them, made
successes of themselves, if you define that not by wealth but by
living life with a quiet dignity and becoming good men. I felt that
their voices were the ones that really enlivened this book, partly
because they are so rarely heard.
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